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	<title>Comments on: DEI Worldwide: the hypocritical scumbags astroturfing for Motorola</title>
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	<description>Editor and technology critic in the midst of founding a new web startup: gdgt.</description>
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		<title>By: david leibner</title>
		<link>http://ryanblock.com/2008/11/dei-worldwide-the-hypocritical-scumbags-astroturfing-for-motorola/#comment-112974</link>
		<dc:creator>david leibner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check them out here hiring http://www.socialmediajobs.com/job/big-brand-social-media-director-studio-city-ca-dei-worldwide-9b727d7c7f/?d=1&amp;source=site_home</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check them out here hiring <a href="http://www.socialmediajobs.com/job/big-brand-social-media-director-studio-city-ca-dei-worldwide-9b727d7c7f/?d=1&#038;source=site_home" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialmediajobs.com/job/big-brand-social-media-director-studio-city-ca-dei-worldwide-9b727d7c7f/?d=1&#038;source=site_home</a></p>
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		<title>By: NW</title>
		<link>http://ryanblock.com/2008/11/dei-worldwide-the-hypocritical-scumbags-astroturfing-for-motorola/#comment-112693</link>
		<dc:creator>NW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take it from someone who has worked at DEI and had personal interaction with David Reis... Beware... He has been sued a number of times and has been in and out of jail for drug and assault/abuse related charges... Other than that, Hes great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take it from someone who has worked at DEI and had personal interaction with David Reis&#8230; Beware&#8230; He has been sued a number of times and has been in and out of jail for drug and assault/abuse related charges&#8230; Other than that, Hes great!</p>
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		<title>By: escotovow</title>
		<link>http://ryanblock.com/2008/11/dei-worldwide-the-hypocritical-scumbags-astroturfing-for-motorola/#comment-112500</link>
		<dc:creator>escotovow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are 5 houses in five different colors
In each house lives a different nationality.
These 5 owners drink a certain beverage, smoke a certain brand of cigar and keep a certain pet.
No owners have the same pet, smoke the same brand of cigar, or drink the same beverage.

The CLUES:

The Brit lives in the Red house.
The Swede keeps dogs as pets.
The Dane Drinks tea.
The Green House is on the left of the White House.
The Green House&#039;s owner drinks coffee.
The person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds.
The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill.
The man in the center house drinks milk.
The Norwegian lives in the first house.
The man who smokes Blends lives next to the one who keeps cats
The man who keeps horses lives next to the man who smokes Dunhill.
The man who smokes Blue Master drinks beer.
The German smokes Prince.
The Norwegian lives next to the Blue House.
The man who smokes Blends has a neighbor who drinks water.
The QUESTION:

Who owns the fish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 5 houses in five different colors<br />
In each house lives a different nationality.<br />
These 5 owners drink a certain beverage, smoke a certain brand of cigar and keep a certain pet.<br />
No owners have the same pet, smoke the same brand of cigar, or drink the same beverage.</p>
<p>The CLUES:</p>
<p>The Brit lives in the Red house.<br />
The Swede keeps dogs as pets.<br />
The Dane Drinks tea.<br />
The Green House is on the left of the White House.<br />
The Green House&#8217;s owner drinks coffee.<br />
The person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds.<br />
The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill.<br />
The man in the center house drinks milk.<br />
The Norwegian lives in the first house.<br />
The man who smokes Blends lives next to the one who keeps cats<br />
The man who keeps horses lives next to the man who smokes Dunhill.<br />
The man who smokes Blue Master drinks beer.<br />
The German smokes Prince.<br />
The Norwegian lives next to the Blue House.<br />
The man who smokes Blends has a neighbor who drinks water.<br />
The QUESTION:</p>
<p>Who owns the fish?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://ryanblock.com/2008/11/dei-worldwide-the-hypocritical-scumbags-astroturfing-for-motorola/#comment-112496</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great article. It&#039;s even better because I&#039;m reading it on my fantastic new Macbook. (apple.com/macbook)

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great article. It&#8217;s even better because I&#8217;m reading it on my fantastic new Macbook. (apple.com/macbook)</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: TheWayoftheWeb &#187; Stop grouping and griping - start thinking and doing</title>
		<link>http://ryanblock.com/2008/11/dei-worldwide-the-hypocritical-scumbags-astroturfing-for-motorola/#comment-112471</link>
		<dc:creator>TheWayoftheWeb &#187; Stop grouping and griping - start thinking and doing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s something I&#8217;ll admit to being guilty of. There&#8217;s Social Media Mafia, MeasurementCamp, Social Media Club, Social Media Today, P2PR, EverySingleOneofUs,  just off the top of my head, plus Triiibes, which prompted this post when I thought about how much value others are getting from it - and I&#8217;m missing because I&#8217;ve spread myself out so much. And some groups, such as the Blog Council, are attracting some criticism. As indeed WOMMA has in this case. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s something I&#8217;ll admit to being guilty of. There&#8217;s Social Media Mafia, MeasurementCamp, Social Media Club, Social Media Today, P2PR, EverySingleOneofUs,  just off the top of my head, plus Triiibes, which prompted this post when I thought about how much value others are getting from it &#8211; and I&#8217;m missing because I&#8217;ve spread myself out so much. And some groups, such as the Blog Council, are attracting some criticism. As indeed WOMMA has in this case. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Bell</title>
		<link>http://ryanblock.com/2008/11/dei-worldwide-the-hypocritical-scumbags-astroturfing-for-motorola/#comment-112409</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just plain bad marketing practice. In this day and age no one should be faking identities and comments. This puts the brand - Motorola- at risk.  

As a member of WOMMA (and President of the Board), I believe very strongly in our ethics policies including the Honesty ROI - http://www.womma.org/ethics/code/.

We need to be clear that this type of stealth marketing is NOT word of mouth marketing. It goes against our ethics guidelines meant to protect consumer, the brand and the growing word of mouth marketing discipline. 

More on this later....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just plain bad marketing practice. In this day and age no one should be faking identities and comments. This puts the brand &#8211; Motorola- at risk.  </p>
<p>As a member of WOMMA (and President of the Board), I believe very strongly in our ethics policies including the Honesty ROI &#8211; <a href="http://www.womma.org/ethics/code/" rel="nofollow">http://www.womma.org/ethics/code/</a>.</p>
<p>We need to be clear that this type of stealth marketing is NOT word of mouth marketing. It goes against our ethics guidelines meant to protect consumer, the brand and the growing word of mouth marketing discipline. </p>
<p>More on this later&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Camperton</title>
		<link>http://ryanblock.com/2008/11/dei-worldwide-the-hypocritical-scumbags-astroturfing-for-motorola/#comment-112406</link>
		<dc:creator>Camperton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This happens at movie related websites all the time with both anonymously submitted early reviews and comments. They are usually very easy to see through. They&#039;re known as Plants. As far as I&#039;m concerned it&#039;s the lowest of the low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This happens at movie related websites all the time with both anonymously submitted early reviews and comments. They are usually very easy to see through. They&#8217;re known as Plants. As far as I&#8217;m concerned it&#8217;s the lowest of the low.</p>
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		<title>By: bad implementation</title>
		<link>http://ryanblock.com/2008/11/dei-worldwide-the-hypocritical-scumbags-astroturfing-for-motorola/#comment-112403</link>
		<dc:creator>bad implementation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no excuse for astroturfing, but let&#039;s not lose sight of the fact that it can easily go undetected, and probably does a lot of the time, especially in places that aren&#039;t under as much direct scrutiny by the direct gaze of the internet weblog sphere&#039;s eye. (I&#039;m thinking Amazon or iPhone App store reviews, and a zillion smaller comment threads on lesser trafficked sites etc)  
  
In some respects the weblog sphere&#039;s outrage over this is because it was so direly incompetent in it&#039;s execution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no excuse for astroturfing, but let&#8217;s not lose sight of the fact that it can easily go undetected, and probably does a lot of the time, especially in places that aren&#8217;t under as much direct scrutiny by the direct gaze of the internet weblog sphere&#8217;s eye. (I&#8217;m thinking Amazon or iPhone App store reviews, and a zillion smaller comment threads on lesser trafficked sites etc)  </p>
<p>In some respects the weblog sphere&#8217;s outrage over this is because it was so direly incompetent in it&#8217;s execution.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://ryanblock.com/2008/11/dei-worldwide-the-hypocritical-scumbags-astroturfing-for-motorola/#comment-112401</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Motorola have a huge uphill struggle to try and save their brand. Anyone who is willing to spend big bucks on a modern handset with all the bells and whistles will know not to touch them with a barge pole. Apple, Nokia and Blackberry have much better phones to offer. Desperation is setting in. 

They need to start at the beginning by reinventing their whole approach to creating handsets. The reason people dont buy their products isnt because of questionable marketing techniques - its cause their products suck!

As a marketing company employee, we are realising more and more that these techniques dont work and that even on the internet...mud sticks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Motorola have a huge uphill struggle to try and save their brand. Anyone who is willing to spend big bucks on a modern handset with all the bells and whistles will know not to touch them with a barge pole. Apple, Nokia and Blackberry have much better phones to offer. Desperation is setting in. </p>
<p>They need to start at the beginning by reinventing their whole approach to creating handsets. The reason people dont buy their products isnt because of questionable marketing techniques &#8211; its cause their products suck!</p>
<p>As a marketing company employee, we are realising more and more that these techniques dont work and that even on the internet&#8230;mud sticks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Brome</title>
		<link>http://ryanblock.com/2008/11/dei-worldwide-the-hypocritical-scumbags-astroturfing-for-motorola/#comment-112400</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Brome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this! Oh look, here they are in action on Phone Scoop:

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/m_forum.php?fm=m&amp;ff=8&amp;fi=1919033

http://www.phonescoop.com/account/user_msgs.php?u=100024&amp;1=0

I&#039;m thankful to have them exposed. Thanks, Ryan!

Happy Thanksgiving!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this! Oh look, here they are in action on Phone Scoop:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/m_forum.php?fm=m&#038;ff=8&#038;fi=1919033" rel="nofollow">http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/m_forum.php?fm=m&#038;ff=8&#038;fi=1919033</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.phonescoop.com/account/user_msgs.php?u=100024&#038;1=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.phonescoop.com/account/user_msgs.php?u=100024&#038;1=0</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m thankful to have them exposed. Thanks, Ryan!</p>
<p>Happy Thanksgiving!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon.Rain</title>
		<link>http://ryanblock.com/2008/11/dei-worldwide-the-hypocritical-scumbags-astroturfing-for-motorola/#comment-112399</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon.Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, after seeing all the blogs talking about the comments MGOODE08 left, I had to see what the phone was.

The worst is that it&#039;s the same price as the G1 and 20$ less than the iPhone (with a Verizon 2-year contract which includes a $50 mail in rebate so it&#039;s actually more expensive upfront). I don&#039;t think there is one aspect of this phone that is better or equal to the other 2.

Except to protect the phone, I don&#039;t see a single advantage of the flipping cover. I&#039;m also having a hard time imagining the position of my hands for typing.

Good job on the gdgt podcast, by the way. Very gadget intensive. thanks

Simon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, after seeing all the blogs talking about the comments MGOODE08 left, I had to see what the phone was.</p>
<p>The worst is that it&#8217;s the same price as the G1 and 20$ less than the iPhone (with a Verizon 2-year contract which includes a $50 mail in rebate so it&#8217;s actually more expensive upfront). I don&#8217;t think there is one aspect of this phone that is better or equal to the other 2.</p>
<p>Except to protect the phone, I don&#8217;t see a single advantage of the flipping cover. I&#8217;m also having a hard time imagining the position of my hands for typing.</p>
<p>Good job on the gdgt podcast, by the way. Very gadget intensive. thanks</p>
<p>Simon</p>
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